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Shagrat
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1078 Posts |
 Posted - 17 March 2007 : 13:20:26
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I think it is about time we "talked" about the MR Site footer.
Is there any real reason we need it?
Does MR Site need this FREE advertising link?
Is it not about time we had an Easy option to switch it on or OFF.
If there was a benifit to showing it I would be more willing to keep it. Mr Site is not the cheapest option for buying URLs so maybe a discount option for people who are willing to show the link?
I invite people to express thier views on this. play nice
I put this in the wish list because if there is a big push for it to be removed it will need to go here anyway so lets have the Debate here.
Shagrat
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Edited by - Shagrat on 17 March 2007 13:31:56 |
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sephirothsuppliesco.uk
Junior Member
United Kingdom
137 Posts |
Posted - 17 March 2007 : 14:05:51
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lol... I think everyone knows my feelings about this issue! Although it doesnt effect me (i ftp my site) I still feel it is very sneeky and is taking advantage of their customers.
Most hosts will pay YOU to have their link on your site. AND when I mentioned this on another thread the admin deleted it!
This is the thread.
http://www.mrsite.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5739
MrSite is not a free service and so there is no reason why their link should be on your site without permission.
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Simon
Junior Member
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 17 March 2007 : 14:07:07
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My first thought was: "Maybe Mr.Site needs it more than we do."
However, there may well be some Mr.Site sites that are not necessarily a good publicity example for them? So perhaps, for them, it is a mixed blessing?
Maybe they factored into their selling price the free advertising link?
I don't actually object to it. But then I accept that I am not trying to have a site with earnings potential...and I can imagine that some people who want to portray a certain image may well object to the footer. But for them the option of doing a little more techy stuff and removing it themselves (and it's not THAT difficult, surely?) is there.
I am happy that I got what I paid for - and happy to give Mr.Site the free advertising. (Maybe I am one of those "not necessarily good publicity"?! No need to respond to that, by the way!! ) However, it is good to open up the debate about it...so well done (again! yaaawwnnn...!  ) Shagrat.
Presumably it is only Mr.Site themselves who can really tell if there is any benefit to us to showing it...and I wonder what their answer would be if we asked?!
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DESIRELINESCO.UK
New Member
United Kingdom
83 Posts |
Posted - 17 March 2007 : 19:18:27
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Hello all,
Although I appreciate that (as mentioned above) they may have factored in the, what is essentially free advertising, footer in the selling price of the "Takeaway website", I do resent the fact that it wasn't made obvious that it would be there before I purchased it. The fact the footer is there isn't mentioned anywhere on the box or on any publicity materials, and this does make its presence seem faintly underhand.
Personally, I cannot see how MrSite can, in all good conscience, say that all this free advertising is truly necessary and doesn't take advantage of those who bought the product in good faith.
I'm sure that for all the people who are happy that the footer is there, there are just as many who feel that it undermines the professionalism of their site and so an easy on/off option, or a slight price reduction for those happy to have it, would seem to be an obvious and straight forward solution.
For someone like myself, who works as a designer, the fact I have used this product is faintly embarrassing! Don't get me wrong- I am delighted with it's ease of use and over-joyed that I have finally got my own site and, as such, I have recommended it to almost everyone I know (my long-winded praises have now gone so over the top as to induce much eye-rolling and subject-changing!). But, for people who want to check out my site before hiring me for a job, the fact that it is, essentially, a pret-a-porter website can, (whether rightly or wrongly) make me seem less professsional and knowledgable to prospective customers.
I hope this hasn't gone on too long (and makes sense!).
r
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Thoughtscape
Average Member
Australia
538 Posts |
Posted - 17 March 2007 : 22:23:48
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100% agree with desirelines. One of my service offerings is website information architecture and content development, and I've managed seven figure website redevelopments as well. While it's completely unfair for clients to assume I can also build a site, the reality is that my credibility cannot be enhanced (and could easily be undermined) by an 'instant website' product. That's why I remove it manually. Same for my husband's site and the two client sites I've built on Mr Site.
Love the product. But I would like Mr Site to understand the reality that any time you market yourself as a low-price idiot-proof gig, people are going to be hesitant to associate themselves with it, particularly if they're using it to run a professional business. I guess it's kind of like buying clothes at Kmart or Target. Lots of people do it, very few admit that they do it.
Stuart told me almost a year ago that Mr Site was working on a pro version of its product that would not include the footer. I'm inclined to agree with Shagrat that rather than charge more for getting rid of it, it's fairer to offer an incentive for people to leave it there. That said, I'm interested in what other features the pro product might have in it from a value-added perspective.
Samantha
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risingsunmotorcyclescom
New Member
United Kingdom
50 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2007 : 12:08:09
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Totally agree with Samantha and Desire Lines, well put.
Having said that, for the nature of business that I'm involved in and the type of people that I'm aiming to attract to my website, they won't necessarily look at/care about/or even know any better, therefore, I'm probably one of the ones who are fairly neutral when it comes to this debate. If there was some kind of 'on/off' button I would definitely make use of it, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to make any attempts to hide it myself (as I read in another thread that Mr Site will strip the code every time you make any changes to the page, and I don't have the patience for that I'm afraid).
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pastandpresenttoys
Junior Member
United Kingdom
392 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2007 : 12:28:28
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personally I dont mind it being there, but if I could take it off easily maybe I would.
Maybe it would suit everybody if it was just put on one page, and that you picked the page for it to go on?
Alot of sites do have the link there, not just mr sites but many others, and maybe we should accept that having the link there is a sacrifice to make for paying £35.00 for a website.
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kesslernkessler.com
Starting Member
United Kingdom
2 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2007 : 17:30:54
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Hi there everyone,
I admit that when a friend set up thier page I found out about Mr Sites through the footer, but I thought he had approved the link at the bottom I didn't realise that when I joined up that I would have one at the bottom of my page too.
I guess it could be worse I could have paid out £85 and still had a footer I didn't approve, but if we add the banner to our site and someone joins through it we get a pound we should see some finacial benefit from having the link at the bottom or we should be able to approve it.
Personally for my site I can't see the justification of it being there.
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seeingthingsorg
Starting Member
United Kingdom
17 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2007 : 22:03:23
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Allan
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2095 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2007 : 23:35:22
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Hi(All)+Shagrat
Sorry Shagrat i for one donot think we need a Debate on this,Yes it would be good if we can turn it on or off
But Mrsite has to fixe the guest book so we can see the message be for they go live.
Just one more thing if you are not happy with mrsite just call them,We have had a lot of new member coming on here have a pop at Mrsite.
So my vote is yes but i would like Mrsite to fix the guest book.
Just one more thing the web space and email space
I will not us the 150mg of email space but i can on the site so come on Mrsite.
Allan
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loopy2
New Member
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Posted - 20 March 2007 : 13:04:37
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Agree with you on this one. Its not like we get any affiliated commission if anyone else buys a site after looking at one already made.
If we wanted to advertise we could opt to put a Mr Site banner as some people have.
Defo think there should be an option to turn it off !!!
Lou
www.cardsbylou.com
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Simon
Junior Member
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 20 March 2007 : 13:09:42
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If you write a book and get it published - do you not see the name of the publisher (and printer and typesetter sometimes) on the cover or on the inside ?
If you have made a CD recording, do you not see the name of the record company - and many other "credits" too sometimes?
Next time you surf the web - and I don't mean for the "big" sites - check out the bottom of pages....how often does the footer contain "credits"?
Simon from
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Shagrat
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1078 Posts |
Posted - 20 March 2007 : 14:29:09
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I see lots and lots of good comments here and that is what this subject was for a "Debate". Yes there are other more pressing problems with MR Site editor that may need fixing but that is why this is just a debate to get some feedback, not a pop at MR Site.
I am happy to show the MR Site link for now, but sometime in the future I may want to remove it and would prefer not to have to use some code typed into every page every time I re-publish.
Thanks everybody for the feedback.
Shagrat
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DESIRELINESCO.UK
New Member
United Kingdom
83 Posts |
Posted - 20 March 2007 : 18:04:47
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Simon (and all),
It is true that credits exist on other sites- "designed and maintained by..." and such, but MrSite didn't design and maintain my site- I do.
Essentially they act, and very successfully, as an enabler and you could argue, theoretically at least, that simply enabling doesn't give you the right to a credit- do bic get a credit every time you right a quick note? Should I mark "thanks to canon" on every photo I take?
I think, though, the main issue is not that it exists as a credit (or however you wish to refer to it) but the fact that this piece of advertising was added without the knowledge of the customers before purchase. I cannot say whether knowledge of the footer would have affected my decision, but it would have allowed that decision to be more informed and educated.
Additionally, the name of a publisher or record company will not affect your appreciation of an item ("i'll never read anything published by taschen", or "I dont care how good the music is- maverick won't be getting my money"), but it can affect (in very particular cases- almost anyone even slightly involved with the creation or production of any kind of digital media) the viewers perception of a particular website. In the majority of cases, it is probably true that the MrSite footer won't adversely affect a sites marketability or degrade their products in any way, but in those particular cases mentioned above it can, rightly or wrongly, have a significant impact on a sites perceived professionalism.
Surely it would be better to offer an incentive for people to keep it, rather than make it the default setting and, in a way, penalise those who would rather not.
r
Desire Lines:
Belfast based fine art photography and design.
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discostars
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Thoughtscape
Average Member
Australia
538 Posts |
Posted - 20 March 2007 : 21:09:44
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Beautifully put, Desirelines. I think the Canon analogy is particularly relevant. And those who point to other website credits are mistaken. They may credit a designer, but usually only when the design was actually built specifically (ie commissioned) for that client. They don't credit the site host, nor any mass-produced elements of the site (you don't see "fonts by Larabie" or similar).
S.
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Edited by - Thoughtscape on 20 March 2007 22:44:58 |
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